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What is this podcast about?

Perimenopausal co-hosts Ellie Dvorkin Dunn and Julia Granacki take a deep dive into the sometimes embarrassing, often hilarious, and always bewildering issues of hormonal changes that take place in midlife. Through honest accounts, thoughtful interviews, and group panel discussions, their mission is to make you chuckle, make you nod your head in recognition, and hopefully make some scientific progress!

What is that title about?

The concept of a woman "circling the drain" conjures up negative imagery for some, but the origin of this as the name of our podcast has a story.


A friend, in her 30's at the time, was listing her ailments to a male physician who clearly had a terrible bedside manner, because he responded to her complaints by shrugging his shoulders in a dismissive fashion and saying something like, "I don't know what to tell you. From now on, you're basically just circling the drain!"


We have been laughing at the audacity of this tone-deaf interaction ever since, and when we decided to start this podcast about the plight of the aging woman, we chose to reclaim and repurpose the phrase in the spirit of humor.


Every human on the planet is circling the drain from the moment we are born. The question is, how slowly and gracefully can we spiral? And can we minimize the discomfort while we whirl?